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A Case For Value-Added In Low-Stakes Contexts

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I believe that VAM does give some information that the teacher did not know: how their students do relative to the rest of the district/state with students like them. It is not possible for an individual teacher to know this without VAM or other types of statistics. TFT, it may in fact be useful to know that my ELLs are making better progress than the rest of the state because it tells me that I am doing something right even though it is super frustrating on those days where it seems like they don't get anything. Yeah ... they seem to grow slowly on the tests but I know they are growing faster than most other ELLs... I have not won the war of getting them to where they need to be but I have won a small battle of getting them there faster.

Faster is better? I think, Andrew, that you are confusing speed with depth, and that's pretty dangerous. And knowing that my kids are getting there faster means nothing. Too many factors exist outside of the school to make that information useful. Tell me, are you a teacher, or is this just surmising on your part?

I remember the first time I was presented with my value added scores. My students had made great progress in reading, but I was mediocre in math and language, and my student's science scores were an embarrassment. I suppose I could have been defensive. Instead I went home and googled "teaching best practices" and generally read everything I could get my hands on about how to improve my teaching. It really made a difference. I teach in a high needs school with a large number of ELL students and they do very well. Even without disaggregated data, I found my VAM very useful. I am impatient with people who whine about getting a low VAM. It's not the end of the world. If you really care about your students, you'll try to help them grow. Blathering on about some invisible "depth" of learning that is supposed to be there just because you say so, won't help your students.

I don't get it, Matt. You say VAM can be useful and also say it lack utility. Which is it?

TFT, I don't understand your question. When did I say it lacks utility? MD

Ray, shouldn't you have read that stuff before you took responsibility for a classroom full of kids? More importantly, maybe, is the fact that you were hired without the requisite knowledge you admit you lacked.

<p>"Granted, a big problem is that value-added models are not actually designed to tell us why teachers get different results – i.e., whether certain instructional practices are associated with better student performance." Teachers spend all day inside the "data" and are constantly disaggregating it. You seem to be saying that there is some hidden information in the VAM that cannot be gleaned any other way. Are you talking about what can be gleaned to help kids or help bosses write up teachers? In all my years inside the classroom not once did I need to look at the data from a standardized test to know what each student needed. Yet, you think it can help me. I have no idea why you think that. And, you wrote this: "For instance, if a teacher is told that her English language learners tend to make less rapid progress than her native speakers, this is potentially useful" Do you honestly think She doesn't know this and need the data so she can estimate something? I mean, really, this is the height of reaching. If a teacher of non-native English speakers, or anyone with a knowledge of how f****** hard it is to learn a new language, doesn't already know that the ELLs will make "less rapid progress" they should be fired. You are a conundrum to me, Matt.</p>

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